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            "It is not possible to anesthetize the conscience, for example, when it comes to molecules whose aim is to stop an embryo implanting or to cut short someone's life... I invite your federation [of pharmacists] to consider conscientious objection which is a right that must be recognized for your profession so you can avoid collaborating, directly or indirectly, in the supply of products which have clearly immoral aims, for example abortion or euthanasia..." -- Pope Benedict XVI, address to Catholic Pharmacists, 29 Oct 2007 AD        || "Conscience has rights because it has duties..." --John Cardinal Henry Newman..        || Embryology of the new human being confirms humanity of the preborn....        || Basic primer on genetics, cloning and other manipulations of molecular genetics....        || Told ya so: FDA & Plan B manufacturer Barr admit it's an abortifacient....        || From the Clinton Library & Massage Parlor: Mifepristone [Mifeprex] approval was paramount for Der Schlieckmeister and his admin as payback to the Abortion Industrial Complex....        || PP's Racism in Action with LA Advocate's expose' videos...        || Klan Parenthood's Report: $1+ Bill in revenues, $114 Mill PROFIT....290,000 killed by surgery....1.4+ Mill killed by chemical abortion        || PFLI exclusive expose of FDA MedWatch program failures, deaths from abortifacient OCs (9.4Mb)        || Human Life International has documented more than 8,519 acts of violence        || JAMA article: patients' own stem cells provide diabetes treatment, no patients KILLED!...        || Hippocratic Oath makes a comeback; register now...        || Pres. Barrie Hussein's record against the IL Born Alive Infants Protection Act        || Pres. Barrie Hussein's abortoholic record since assuming office 1/20/09...        || Women have the right to know there are two breast cancer risks associated with abortion. All experts recognize first risk- that abortion denies women an opportunity to reduce their risk for breast cancer through childbearing. Scientists only debate the second risk - known as the "independent link."...        || Eight medical organizations and a bioethics journal recognize the independent link - that abortion leaves a woman with more cancer-vulnerable cells than she had before she became pregnant. An additional medical group, the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons, has called for "full disclosure" of a "highly plausible" relationship between abortion and the disease...        || Overwhelming evidence of a cause-effect relationship is supported by... 1. A biological explanation which scientists have been unable to disprove and do not challenge. 2. A study on rats. 3. Epidemiological research...        || Scientists began extensive research on the abortion-breast cancer link in 1957. Why didn’t the government and cancer fundraising businesses want women to know about the existence of this research? If they cared about women’s health, they would have revealed their research to the public...        || According to the "Annual Report to the Nation on the Status of Cancer (1973-1998)," published in the Journal of the National Cancer Institute in 2001, only the youngest of three generations - the Roe v. Wade generation - suffered a more than 40% increase in breast cancer cases since the mid-1980s. These were women young enough to have had access to legal abortions starting in 1973. The increase in breast cancer rates didn’t take place among women from the two older generations that couldn’t obtain legal abortions...        || The U.S. National Cancer Institute, the American Cancer Society, and the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention collaborated on the report. Two of the report’s authors had conducted earlier research showing that abortion increases breast cancer risk, but that research and the word "abortion" were omitted from the report. The report’s authors expressed no interest whatsoever in preventing breast cancer. [Howe et al. Jrnl Natl Cancer Inst (June 6, 2001) Vol. 93, No. 11, Figure 3]...        || Two American women have succeeded in prosecuting their medical malpractice lawsuits against abortion doctors, who failed to warn them about the risks of breast cancer and emotional damage. Neither of the women has yet developed breast cancer...        || Post-abortive women are being deprived of a window of opportunity to adopt strategies to reduce their risk for breast cancer, seek early detection, and join clinical trials. They’re denying abortion-bound adolescents and young women their rights to make informed choices about their health care... ||


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Stupid Sayings and Hate Mail

We sure do get a lot of love from all of you out there. But, from time to time we do seem to attract some folks who just were not paying close attention in school and "fell through the cracks", as the left is wont to say.

Some of the items from the bag of mail are just down right stupid and ingorant, possibly through no fault of the writer, or they are just down right mean, mendacious, hate-filled, bigoted, anti-religious (usually anti-Catholic or anti-Christian), intolerant of other view points or world views, or just grossly uncouth because their mommas just never taught them proper etiquette or manners while they were growing up. Again through no fault of their own; it was probably Bush's fault or that of the right wing Christian fundamentalists. Silly us!

And, since some of these are so kooky and wacko, we thought it would be selfish to keep them to ourselves.

BE MINDFUL, WE CHOSE NOT TO EDIT THE VILE HATE IN SOME LETTERS, SO SOME OF THE LANGUAGE IS DEFINITELY INAPPROPRIATE FOR UNDERAGE CHILDREN. PARENTS, OR THOSE WHO ARE FAINT OF HEART, ARE CAUTIONED TO USE PRUDENT JUDGEMENT WHEN VIEWING THIS SECTION OF THE WEBSITE.

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With that, sit back and enjoy our Stupid Sayings and Hate Mail section!


17 Aug 2011

[PFLI replies from Karen Brauer, MS, RPh, are between the lines in RED...]

Dear Ms Brauer,

I stumbled onto your website during a routine Internet search for "plan b", and, quite frankly, I was rather upset by what I read.

I will forward this to our executive director who will possibly obtain as much gratification as I did.

I understand that the PFLI website is ostensibly targeted at pharmacists, however, much of the information posted there, espeically in the FAQ's, is strongly biased to support a certain viewpoint. If a member of the general public, like myself, should find the website, they could very well come away from the site with a baised opinion of Plan B and other similar drugs. Are you able to distinguish between information which is factual, and the information which expresses our opinions about the facts? We expect that most people who are capable of internet access can do that. For example: Plan B and Ella have multiple mechanisms of action, some of which operate to kill the early human embryo (fact). We, as pro-life pharmacists do not like those killing mechanisms (opinion), and wish not to participate (fact).

Your organization certainly has every right to have an internet presence, but, since your target audience is pharmacists and not the general public, perhaps requiring a login using the license number would be appropriate.

That some might wish for the general public not to be informed about the [abortifacient] mechanisms of action of Plan B and drugs with related function comes as no surprise. That would impede sales of those products.

On a final note, I believe that pharmacists, like other professions intended for the greater public good, including doctors, the police and EMS/EMT workers, need to put aside their personal beliefs when working.

You are free to choose health care professionals who have no objection against killing the very young, the very old, or the disabled, or who exclude other ethical restraints from their professional functions. It's Natural Selection.

If they are unable to do so, then they need to find a different career that will allow them to exercise those beliefs. Perhaps the organization could become Ex-Pharamcists For Life International?

Natural selection for more of your fellows? OK.... but I didn't suggest it, you did. The ethical system, to which I attempt to adhere, constrains me from that impulse.

Thank you for your time,

An Outraged Citizen.

It's been fun!

God bless!

Karen L Brauer MS, RPh


26 Mar 2008

We got this little piece of insanity from someone who loves to spew the vitriole like nobody's business. Kiss your mama with that mouth? Anywho, he or she (hard to say which) went ballistic when reading about the draconian punishment for Neil Noesen by the WI BoP, and the articulate quotes from PFLI prez Karen Brauer, MS, RPh, in the Milwaukee Sentinel Journal article the next day.

Thanks to "Craig List" for making our day all the more special, after all it has been a little while since we got some good hate mail from these advocates of love, peace and Barrie Hussein-style Infanticide:

"You make me sick [oh, we're pharmacists, we can help you there]. It's people and groups like you that are what's wrong with this country. Statements like "They'll force women to kill their children ... It will be like China. It's the next logical step," makes anyone who hears or reads them dumber [so they were dumb already?]. Anyone who thinks "It's the next logical step" needs some serious psychiatric evaluation. I have some names of professionals if Karen Brauer is interested. I just hope this recent decision against Neil Noesen is upheld and it sets a precedent for all future idiots who try to deny someone something that is legally their right."

--craig list a/k/a iwfcyb@gmail.com

Yawn! You get the picture folks! We're still waiting for the therapy referrals...back at 'chu my man (or woman?)! You got your street cred now!


The following guy calls himself "drug monkey" which may reflect more on cerebral aptitude than it does looks, although that is also a possibility, given the pic of himself he put on his hate-filled blog

When we asked him if his hatred is limited to pharmacists with a conscience or all health care professionals he replied:

"You talk about my hate like it is some sort of bad thing.........."[we can't make this stuff up folks!]

Anyway here's a portion of his spewed hatred (it also contains a blog he actually called "Why I Hate Lloyd Duplantis, Of Gray, Louisiana More Than Any Pharmacist On The Face Of The Earth" [Duplantis is a former president of PFLI as well as a long time member and board director, father of seven and adopted father of one, a true valiant gentleman and warrior in the fight for life and conscience in the profession of pharmacy for 30+ years]:

"...I would think they would have at least been able to afford a copy of Microsoft Frontpage and/or someone who knows how to use the web-page building program to make a page that isn't...um...hideously f***ing ugly, but evidently not, as you can see here. Just in case your eyeballs were starting to melt at the sight of such an incredibly poorly designed web page, or just didn't feel like boosting this woman's ego by adding to her hit count totals....'Guv 'Slobodan' sends threatening enforcement letter to IL pharmacists, dictatorial grip tightens, demands they wear 'scarlet letter' showing they have a conscience'... I'll translate that bit of lunatic ranting for you. She's referring to Illinois governor Rod Blagojevich, who has signed an executive order in his state to ensure that women have access to emergency contraception [read: chemical abortion]. Blagojevich, as far is known, has yet to show up for work at the statehouse wearing military fatigues or that odd looking hat depicted on Brarer's [sic] website. She seems to be commenting on the governor being of Serbian origin. Evidently this is funny in the world of the Christian fascists."

Well, you get the idea...the poor guy can hardly string a few sentences together without hurling expletives and cursing, and shows an apparent lack of journalistic skills, confusing the president of PFLI (whose name he cannot even copy correctly) with the webmaster and editor of various parts of the well constructed PFLI web site. Call it web hit jealousy, but he does have effective, well reasoned arguments confused with college neaderthal level writing and logic. For the record, PFLI has no problem with Guv "Slobodan" just his methods which mirror his commie bro back in old Yugoslavia, known for his atrocities and ethnic cleansing efficacy. Naturally, anyone who shows this 'monkey' up with some well reasoned arguments is, in true hypocritical liberal fashion, called a 'fascist'. [He probably doesn't recall Slobo's bros in Yugo aligned well with the REAL Fascists during WWII, but that's what an inferior education gets you.] As for Slobo's pic, can you say "morph"?


This "law student" initially was friendly and civil, as most abortoholics are when fishing for what they see as an "ah ha! gotcha!" moment. Of course, we try to accomodate the people no matter what their point of view, regardless how anti-life it may be. In our opinion, she gets pretty hysterical towards the end. Mind you: she contacted us to "entrap" a speaker and got a good therapeutic dose of reasoned, rational arguments from PFLI's prez Karen Brauer.

See for yourself; the clearer missives are towards the bottom, the frantic hysterionics towards the top, despite Karen Brauer's calm, rational replies. Eventually, she couldn't hit the stop button, so Brauer hit the "Easy" button and let this "law student's" Student Affairs Dean know about her shenanigans.

DAVID WILLIAMS II

Vice Chancellor for Student Life and University Affairs

General Counsel and Secretary of Vanderbilt University

Professor of Law

Dear Dr. Williams,

I am having some difficulties with uninvited emails from a second year law student at Vanderbilt, and would appreciate a small amount of assistance in this matter. This student requested a statement from me for supposed use in a panel discussion on birth control to be hosted by the Law School on Feb 2. I fulfilled her request by writing a statement, since it is customary for me to assist students in understanding this controversial topic, if I have the time. Unfortunately my statement inspired further debate from the student. After I saw that she would continue to carry on a private debate, I attempted to discourage this in the usual fashion, by telling her that further communication would result in my taking her debate into a public forum. I do not have time to address each person's concerns with my publicly held views. This seemed to anger her more than my views on the topic in question, and she is persisting in her emails (though I have ceased) and is claiming that reproduction of her email will result in legal action.

The behavior of this student to one from whom she requested assistance is not such a good reflection on Vanderbilt school of law. It would tend to discourage further assistance from me, in the future, because of the result. I hope that the issue can be addressed from within the university to ask this student Ms. Marissa Lydick- Kaslow to cease in her emails to me, and to modify her behavior towards those from whom she requests free assistance in her work, regardless of her personal feelings.

Thank you for your time and consideration,

Best regards,

KB

Karen L. Brauer M.S., R.Ph.

Pharmacists for Life International

http://www.pfli.org

cc to F. Manion, Esq.

B. Kuhar

-------- Original Message -------- Subject: copyright violations you are committing

Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 15:33:17 -0600

From: Marissa Lydick-Kaslow

To: Hoosierpharmer

I have received counsel on this matter and you are violating federal copyright laws in your copying and distributing of the emails that I sent to your personal email account. The emails I wrote are my expression(s) and may only be reproduced with my consent. I ask that you cease from distributing the my emails either to other individual's email addresses, to internet forums, or any other possible way beyond those aforementioned.

I will take legal action against you if and when I discover that you continue to publish or distribute my personal expressions that I have only intended for you, the sole known recipient of emails to Hoosierpharmer [address redacted].

Below are two of the relevant federal statutes: (I might add that my copyright are my expressions in the email and the relevant vehicle is covered under literary works) See definition of literary work 17 USCS section 101.

  • 17 USCS § 102 (2005)

    NITA Commentary:

    Review expert commentary from The National Institute for Trial Advocacy

    § 102. Subject matter of copyright: In general

  • (a) Copyright protection subsists, in accordance with this title, in original works of authorship fixed in any tangible medium of expression, now known or later developed, from which they can be perceived, reproduced, or otherwise communicated, either directly or with the aid of a machine or device. Works of authorship include the following categories: (1) literary works; (2) musical works, including any accompanying words; (3) dramatic works, including any accompanying music; (4) pantomimes and choreographic works; (5) pictorial, graphic, and sculptural works; (6) motion pictures and other audiovisual works; (7) sound recordings; and (8) architectural works.

    (b) In no case does copyright protection for an original work of authorship extend to any idea, procedure, process, system, method of operation, concept, principle, or discovery, regardless of the form in which it is described, explained, illustrated, or embodied in such work.

    17 USCS § 106 (2005)

    § 106. Exclusive rights in copyrighted works

    Subject to sections 107 through 122 [17 USCS §§ 107 through 122], the owner of copyright under this title has the exclusive rights to do and to authorize any of the following: (1) to reproduce the copyrighted work in copies or phonorecords; (2) to prepare derivative works based upon the copyrighted work; (3) to distribute copies or phonorecords of the copyrighted work to the public by sale or other transfer of ownership, or by rental, lease, or lending; (4) in the case of literary, musical, dramatic, and choreographic works, pantomimes, and motion pictures and other audiovisual works, to perform the copyrighted work publicly; (5) in the case of literary, musical, dramatic, and choreographic works, pantomimes, and pictorial, graphic, or sculptural works, including the individual images of a motion picture or other audiovisual work, to display the copyrighted work publicly; and (6) in the case of sound recordings, to perform the copyrighted work publicly by means of a digital audio transmission.


  • Marissa:

    No one is collecting good statistics on actual practice. A large majority of pharmacists support the right of conscientious objection. More pharmacists refuse to dispense the morning after pill than refuse to dispense all hormonal birth control. The mechanisms of the Morning after pill are more intuitively clear, as is its purpose.

    The suggestion in your next question is that the pharmacist might agree to the intent of a very early abortion, in order to forstall the demand for a later abortion. Since there has been no demonstration that humans aquire intrinsic value with age, this is not sensible for people who object to the killing.

    Regarding practical matters when the morning after pill fails, (which is a common event) that woman will most likely abort, because she will be further pressured to do so. It has been estimated that in actual use, the MAP may be no more effective than the withdrawal method.

    Unfortunately the mechanism underlying a significant portion of legal practice is to sell the idea that a person is not responsible for his own actions. It may not be possible for some to let go of the thinking that a third party must be made responsible (enslaved) to compensate for the actions of other people.

    KB

    Karen L. Brauer M.S., R.Ph.

    Pharmacists for Life International http://www.pfli.org

    Marissa Lydick-Kaslow wrote:

    Thanks for your prompt reply and we will use the statement on Thursday's panel. One last thing that perhaps you can help me with. I can't seem to find statistics on how many pharmacists are refusing to fill birth control and Plan B or one of these drugs. Are more pharmacists not filling Plan B as opposed to traditional birth control? Is there a # of pharmacists. I just don't know if these types of refusals to fill are being documented statistically.

    In addition, does your organization have a position as to the possible ramifications of a woman being denied birth control or Plan B? A logical stream in such a situation is that if the woman does indeed end up pregnant, there is likely a strong chance she will have an abortion - after the zygote has implanted and become an embryo. So instead of preserving life, the pharmacist seems to be simply washing his or her hands of the situation. Is that something your organization has given thought about?

    Thank you for your information.

    Marissa --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    From: Hoosierpharmer

    To: marissalydickkaslow@hotmail.com

    Subject: Statements for your panel.

    Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 05:27:52 -0500

    Ms. Lydick-Kaslow,

    Most pharmacists who object to dispensing the morning after pill, or other birth control pills are not members of our organization. However PFLI serves any pharmacists and other health care professionals who request assistance or advice. A more generally applicable statement is given below, to which more conscientiously objecting pharmacists might subscribe. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    There is no human right to sex. Other sexually reproducing species which exhibit social structure must earn the privilege to copulate and reproduce. Sex, particularly the kind which can result in pregnancy, involves participation of another of the same species, and is designed primarily for continuance of the species. The participation should be voluntary. A human may not rightfully demand sex from another human, or demand support for any consequences of the sex act from a third human.

    There is not a human right to health care. One human may not rightfully demand of another that he provide health care. One may not rightfully demand of a pediatrician that he perform open heart surgery. One may not rightfully demand of any medical professional that he participate in an act which purposely ends a human life.

    There is no human right for one person to demand that any other person provide a product or service for him. Such a demand, and its enforcement would constitute enslavement, stealing, or both.

    There exists the human right to not be purposefully killed. Upon this right all human efforts, social interactions, and privileges rest.

    Some would claim a so called "right" to kill other humans of their choosing, while also claiming another so called "right" to enslave others to do their will. This is the current political position of Planned Parenthood, and affiliated organizations, which demand that others perform services (including killing) which they themselves favor, but appear insufficiently motivated or competent to provide. This political position is blatantly misbranded as "prochoice".

    That the human life begins at the successful completion of fertilization is recognized in the science of embryology. Human organisms do not change species, nor are they "not alive" at any time during their development. Arguing against these facts, in order to justify killing some humans, places one in the position of the Nazis, and slaveowners who denied that their victims and slaves were of the same human species as themselves. See quotes from embryology texts below, regarding development of the human organism.

    There has been no coherent moral argument differentiating among human organisms with respect to their intrinsic value. There has been no substantive evidence to establish that a human organism aquires intrinsic value by means of formed relationships, or by being wanted by another human. There is no coherent, self consistent argument for suggesting that some humans may be purposely killed, while others may not.

    There exists substantial medical evidence that all hormonal birth control drugs act to some degree by post fertilization mechanisms (acting to kill an early human embryo prior to the time of implantation in the uterine lining). The degree to which these mechanisms contribute to the efficacy varies among the types of birth control, with the progestin-only, and the morning after pill types being particularly problematic. (Some of the pertinent medical references providing evidence that hormonal birth control may act to kill an existing human organism are given below, and are viewable in their entirety from the links.)

    Some health care professionals, including pharmacists are exerting a human right to avoid purposely killing another human. These people claim No moral authority to determine which humans may be purposely killed and which may not. They choose to avoid the killing and act on the choice based upon evidence found in respectable medical texts and journals, and from pharmaceutical manufacturers themselves.

    Women are better served in their health care by being informed fully of hormonal birth control mechanisms, and untoward side effects. Conscientiously objecting health care professionals, particularly the pharmacists, have served women well in this regard by offering this information and natural methods of managing their reproductive health.

    There remains an ongoing political effort to enslave medical professionals by coercing them legally to participate in the purposeful killing of humans. This effort will contribute to a general shortage which has already mandated recruiting from countries outside the U.S. for competent health care professionals. ***************************************

    The Developing Human: Clinically Oriented Embryology: "Zygote: this cell results from the union of an oocyte and a sperm. A zygote is the beginning of a new human being (i.e., an embryo). Human development begins at fertilization, the process during which a male gamete or sperm ... unites with a female gamete or oocyte ... to form a single cell called a zygote. This highly specialized, totipotent cell marks the beginning of each of us as a unique individual." Moore, K. and T.V.N. Persaud. 1998. The Developing Human: Clinically Oriented Embryology (6th ed.), W.B. Saunders Company, Philadelphia, pp 2-18.

    Essentials of Human Embryology: "In this text, we begin our description of the developing human with the formation and differentiation of the male and female sex cells or gametes, which will unite at fertilization to initiate the embryonic development of a new individual. ... Fertilization takes place in the oviduct ... resulting in the formation of a zygote containing a single diploid nucleus. Embryonic development is considered to begin at this point... This moment of zygote formation may be taken as the beginning or zero time point of embryonic development." Larsen, W.J. 1998. Essentials of Human Embryology, Churchill Livingstone, New York, pp. 1-17.

    Human Embryology & Teratology: "Fertilization is an important landmark because, under ordinary circumstances, a new, genetically distinct human organism is thereby formed... Fertilization is the procession of events that begins when a spermatozoon makes contact with a secondary oocyte or its investments... The zygote ... is a unicellular embryo... "The ill-defined and inaccurate term pre-embryo, which includes the embryonic disc, is said either to end with the appearance of the primitive streak or ... to include neurulation. The term is not used in this book." (p. 55)."O'Rahilly, R. and F. Muller. 1996. Human Embryology & Teratology, Wiley-Liss, New York, pp. 5-55. ************************************

    1) Mechanisms of the Pill: http://archfami.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/full/9/2/126 - full text of article in Archives of Family Medicine.

    2)Post fertilization effect of the morning after pill regimen: PDF file of the entire article in Annals of Pharmacotherapy. PDF file of the entire article in Annals of Pharmacotherapy.

    3) Plan B, prescribers information from the manufacturer, which recognizes the post fertilization effect: Plan B PI

    Pharmacists for Life International exists to restore Pharmacy as a profession for healing, and not for killing. PFLI consists entirely of volunteers who obtain No income from the work of the organization.

    KB

    Karen L. Brauer M.S., R.Ph. Pharmacists for Life International PFLI's Web Site ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Dear Ms. Brauer:

    I am a second year student at Vanderbilt Law School. On February 2, we are hosting a birth control panel discussion, co-sponsored by the Law, Medical, and Divinity schools. It is a six person panel discussion on women's birth control access. All sides of the issue, both for and against, will be represented.

    I found your name while I was doing an internet search on the topic to learn more about the issue. Had I known about your organization before, I would have invited you to be on the panel. However, I am wondering if you would like to prepare a statement on your organization's position on birth control and one of us will be able to read that statement at the start of the panel discussion. We don't have any pharmacists on the panel (only a couple of physicians) so any statement you can provide will be quite valuable. I realize it is only 4 days away but I do hope you will be able to help me with this.

    Thanks,

    Marissa Lydick-Kaslow


    This hipster is just to smooth to not include. The Leno-like jabs would be amusing if they weren't so despondent-inducing. We'll give her an "E" for effort, but a "C" for confused

    Dear Mrs. Brauer,

    Thank you for taking a stand on behalf of pharmacists who refuse to dispense medicine. I wish we all respected the rights of pharmacists more. I don't think it's fair to force people to serve their country in a way that's against their morals. They should be allowed to register as Conscientious Objectors, and the Pharmacy Draft Boards should be considerate of that if their number gets called. There should be some kind of other community service the Board assigns to them if they have documented reasons why they can't perform the job.

    Pharmacists who don't feel they can do the job should be allowed to quit, without retribution. It's not right to force someone into a job against their will, and then if they refuse to perform the mission, we court martial them and toss them in jail.

    I am thinking of trying to start up something like an underground railroad, to help the pharmacists who oppose medicine escape to another country, or even just hide in our attics - whatever it takes to help these victims. We'd need a way they could easily identify the safe houses to flee to - maybe we could put signs in our windows, something like a railroad sign - with the two RR's, but each R could have the little x at the bottom.

    I hope that someday in the near future this health care crisis will end, and we will be able to have an all volunteer force.

    Audrey in Michigan

    p.s. I saw your slogan, "Pharmacists for Life" [sic] and was thinking you could get a little more punch in your campaign if you went with something catchier. What do you think of something like: "Protection is for Everyone! (Unless You're a Slut)" - do you think it's too long for a bumpersticker?


    This guy resents we pointed out that the NY Times, with all the liberal news that is fit to print or lie about, has had a cropful of "Jason Blairs" in the past few years and it continues to be a source of foul sewer gas. Boy, he took that one personally! The logic is confused, equating life saving antibiotics with chemicals that intentionally kill...sigh!

    Mr. Kuhar [sic]

    So, the paper of record in our nation is now full of "congenital liars" and the word "liberal" is an insult. First of all, let me just say that I personally am neither liberal nor conservative, but rather a thoughtful person who considers issues without a predefined allegiance to anyone (as somebody on an HBO comedy special said, "anyone who makes up their mind before hearing the issue at stake is an idiot"). Thus, when I read the article about you folks in the Times, I might have come about to your way of looking at things had your website offered any convincing rationale whatsoever.

    "my option" is precisely to have "highly trained professionals doing what they swore to do," aka pharmacists filling the prescriptions sent to them by doctors, as opposed to pharmacists grandstanding and failing to do the job for which, I am sure, they are quite well-paid. It is NOT for you to pass judgement on which medicines doctors prescribe or patients take-- regardless of your personal feelings about it. Confirmed vegans should not work in a slaughterhouse, PETA-folks shouldn't work in tanneries, and pro-lifers should not take jobs if they cannot perform the basic tasks required.

    If you have a problem, write your congressman, or stage a protest, but DO NOT with-hold medicine from people with valid prescriptions. What if you went to another pharmacy in a more sensible place, maybe somewhere in Europe, and got a dangerous bacterial infection? I could just see some pharmacist saying "hey, you're that pro-life guy; I'm not filling your prescription for this antibiotic because helping someone like you violates my moral tenents." Or imagine a prejudiced person, perhaps, refusing to fill the prescriptions of black people needing AIDS drugs because morally he thinks AIDS is a curse sent from God or some such to wipe out black people.

    What you folks do is simply unacceptable, and no amount of insulting me is going to get around it. People will terminate unwanted pregnancies, although I have never done so (being male and all). They used to have to do it with a coathanger in some back alley, risking infection and all sorts of complications, but now you can just take one of several pills, which is much better, I'd say. It's legal and popular; reactionaries can never stop the enlightenment of progressive people, as human history shows. couldn't you be doing something better with your time, being a highly trained professional, like say volunteering in Southern Mississippi, than pestering patients with valid prescriptions?

    ...so cheers, you misguided fool. You'll not rattle me with insults, and your prayers fall on deaf ears, since I neither need nor want them. Perhaps religions should be prescribed like medicine, held in reserve only for those people too unsure of their place in the world to be able to admit to themselves that there is nothing else after this. We've all seen what kind of death and war and strife seems to come with them otherwise, and I feel like your little stand against the "immoral" is just one more such instance.

    sincerely,

    Joseph Christoff


    With this one, what can we say but that this is pure evil, reminding us of who the enemy is and how he deceives many souls.

    For your information and just to let you know that we will NOT hesitate to use any legal means necessary to make it known that these criminals will NOT get away with religious bigotry: In addition to Bill SB644 passing that will REQUIRE pharmacists who object to filling prescriptions for RU-486 to locate a pharmacy that will fill the prescription in a reasonable area, we are also seeking to include 1 RU486 pill in a separate package with EVERY condom sold in the US. Soon RU486 will be sold OVER THE COUNTER and this won't even be an issue, but in the meantime JUSTICE WILL PREVAIL! Including a emergency contraception with a condom will help get the message out that America's youth can still have a full, healthy and exciting sex life without having to worry about those undesirable unwanted pregnancies. (Not to mention the unsightly pregnancy and the added pounds a parasite brings!!) tee hee! We're also consulting with Universities and High Schools to include Emergency Contraception classes in all Human Sexuality courses and making it readily available at Student centers and in liquor stores -- NATIONWIDE. I'm hoping such action will allow teenagers and young adults to engage in their natural sexual encounters without having to worry about those unwanted pesky parasites called 'fetus's'. I can hardly wait to see the flood of lawsuits of harassment crashing in against pharmacy's nationwide that refuse to dispense medications. Soon employment applications will REQUIRE that the pharmacist be asked if they would ever refuse a medication for a religious reason and those applications with a 'yes' marked will be quickly tossed into the WASTE basket! ;->) ENJOY and Thank you for Not Breeding! ;->)) TEACH MASTURBATION! EAT A QUEER FETUS FOR JESUS! May the Goddess Durga Bless you with Her Eternal Love so that you may be Free Again!

    CTHULHU [really, that's his pagan pen name!]

    Tempe, AZ

    The US is: "...a nation of 200 million used-car salesmen with all the money we need to buy guns and no qualms about killing anybody else in the world who tries to make us uncomfortable." -Hunter S. Thompson

    "The 'Vision of Christ' that thou dost see is my Vision's greatest enemy." ~ William Blake ~


    This "lady" cheesehead really made us blush, honest! Guess she thought degrading herself to being tired of the sodomy was a real knee-slapper. Shows how sick the opposition is, with a totally anti-human, anti-God agenda. We're not even safe in Sheboygan! And she gives thanks she was given the "barnyard" snip by her "doctor"?

    I am getting tired of all the sodomy though..... think the above is a bad joke? denying grown married women birth control is just as bad. Thankful that my tubes were tied. Not any more juvenile than the wording of choices on the polls within the site. I still stand by my convictions that a pharmacist should not make decisions for a grown married woman. I did not kiss my mother tonight but I told her what my reply was, and she got a good chuckle. I chalk it up as an absurd response to a absurd issue. There is no reason for a pharmacist to not fill a married womans birth control prescription. Period. Go ahead, put me on the hate mail section with both emails. I dont [sic] really chalk it up as hate mail but a reality check. I would wager that many Christians have intimate relations with the spouses with no intentions of procreation. Why is the prevention of procreation considered abortion anyway? This is silly, hope some of you realize this. Tracy Gee Sheboygan, WI


    This one calls us "Osama", yet aren't those folks in that shade of pink actually the one's saying the Club Gitmo should be shut down because Osama's boys are really just misunderstood and maltreated? Yikes! Me doth think he protests too much! His ending says it all: his agenda is hate and intolerance for those waskally Kwistians. Too bad he's so in favor of "different opinions" as long as it conforms to an anti-life, leftist idealogy!



    So what's next, Osama, not allowing people to buy condoms? Or maybe you won't sell home pregnancy tests. You self-righteous morons are the ones trying to impose your twisted version of "religion" on all of the rest of us. In fact you are of the same ilk as the Islamic extremists -- you want things only one way, your way. Well, it's not going to happen.

    Let me tell you something -- the millions of people who share my feelings aren't going anywhere. We're going to stand fast and take this country back from you fascist hypocrites. We will see who is "dying out," especially in the upcoming election cycles.

    Again -- IF YOU DON'T WANT TO DO YOUR JOB THEN DON'T BE A PHARMACIST. You can protest and voice your opinions all you want on your own time. People who truly understand what freedom means accept that opinions and beliefs can differ, and the right to be able to dissent is sacred. But on the job your obligation is to give people the medications the law allows, and to keep your perversion of Christianity to yourself.


    This one sent us a series of blistering venom, here it is in chronological order:


    Hi! My girlfriend just went on the pill, and there is f**k all you can do about it, and that makes me so happy, that she will never be trapped by your moralizing hypocrisy. What do you think about that? Also, can I inconvenience you the next time you are trying to get your prescription for [whatever] filled, by denying it because I don't agree with it? I don't agree that you should be taking Viagra. It's wrong. Prescription denied. I don't agree that you should be taking Propecia. It's wrong. Prescription denied. I don't agree that you should be taking Prozac. It's wrong. Prescription denied. And so on and so on, until you are greatly inconvenienced to the point where you feel actual, physical pain, because that's what your sick and irrational policies could possibly result in. You know, I really, really hate everything about your cruel, unprogressive, medieval, women-hating organization based on other people's irritating meddling. Also, what's wrong with the following sentence taken from your website? "Some of the items from the bag of mail are just down right stupid and ingorant, possibly through no fault of the writer" Are you bright enough to spot the error? Are you? It's clear that it is YOU who are ignorant. And simple-minded. And narrow-minded. And infuriating. You should have been aborted. Keep abortion safe, legal and FREE Abort anti-abortionists As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron." H.L. Mencken (1880-1956) Writing for the Baltimore Evening Sun on 26 July 1920


    His next missive:

    Doc, WEAK. That's a pathetic response which fails to address any of the content of my albeit vitriolic e-mail, and I am not impressed. You need to do a much better job. Here are some questions for you to answer. Let's see how you do. 1. What makes me a potty mouth? Because I used the word "f**k"? 2. What's wrong with my sentence structure? 3. What profanity have I used besides the aforementioned word, "f**k" ? 4. What clinical or other evidence do you have to think I am experiencing delirium? 6. Why do you characterize my thought processes as being illogical? 7. How are e-mail systems tax-payer funded? SUBSTANTIATE YOUR ARGUMENT or GO BEDDY-BYE. So you are going to report me, huh? To WHOM? For WHAT? Profanity? Do you really think Google gives a rat's anus about profanity? (Notice I didn't say "a**"..) Give me a break. You haven't got one thing to report and you know it.[sic] Again, your response was pathetic. You didn't address ANY of my complaints about your ridiculous stance. All you do is accuse me of having a potty mouth, being delirious and having illogical thought processes without providing a shred of evidence to support your argument. Empty verbiage. Hot air. NO SUBSTANCE. Doc, guess what? I am a journalist, I was sent to private schools and as you may have gathered by now am obviously intelligent and articulate, and there is NOTHING wrong with my sentence structure as evidenced by this e-mail [sic]. Therefore, I win. May Jesus sit on your face.


    And yet another.....


    I don't want to have a relationship with you because you're on the wrong side when it comes to womens' reproductive rights. I wanted to make a logical point which I believe I have been successful in doing even though you refuse to see it because of your anti-reproductive rights Catholicism. There is no such thing as "an illogical." Either someone is logical or illogical. You again make these gramatically challenged assertations but fail to substantiate them.[sic] Good evening.


    And the finale, full of invective and quotes from, er, commies....by now, we're almost penpals!


    Yes I am somewhat intolerant, intolerant of people who advocate denying birth control to women that need it - unacceptable. And yes, I am anonymous, I prefer it that way. Sorry if you don't like it. And for some reason there is this constant insistence that I can't write, which is ludicrous. Of course I can write. I've proved that. You never offer any evidence to substantiate your argument. I am not a commie, and I am not inferior. I am in fact superior, to all you right wing religious zealots who are all the same, who advocate the denial of access to birth control simply because they don't agree with it. Against birth control? Don't use it. Against abortion? Don't have one. But don't tell women what they can and can't do with their bodies because it's none of your business. I have the right to be mad at the world or at least a lot of people in it, for their moralizing hypocrisy. I don't really want your love. I want to make a point, that if women want to use birth control, that is their right. And if they wish to terminate their pregnancy within a reasonable amount of time (even I am against abortion after a certain point, ok?) then that is also their right. In Central and South America the all-too pervasive Catholic church builds cathedrals made of gold while the populous is frequently destitute and goes hungry. Denying women access to birth control only results in overly large families, overpopulation and unwanted children. It also leads to botched, back-alley abortions.[Ed. note: like the recent one in Cincinnati??] I really urge you to think about these things. Have a pleasant evening and remember, God is in your head. "The essence of religion consists in the feeling of an absolute dependence." - Schleiermacher "Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the feelings of a heartless world, just as it is the spirit of unspiritual conditions. It is the opium of the people....Religion is only the illusory sun which revolves around man as long as he does not revolve around himself." - Marx "Religion is based, I think, primarily and mainly upon fear. It is partly the terror of the unknown and partly...the wish to feel that you have a kind of elder brother who will stand by you in all your troubles and disputes. Fear is the basis of the whole thing -- fear of the mysterious, fear of defeat, fear of death. Fear is the parent of cruelty, and therefore it is no wonder if cruelty and religion have gone hand in hand. It is because fear is at the basis of both." - Bertrand Russell "Religion would thus be the universal obsessional neurosis of humanity" - Freud


    This one had a series of responses too and took umbrage when we asked if that was his real name...sorry!

    Dear Ms. Bauer:

    I listened to you on Simply Put today (encore performance). You are like every other member of the Christian right-in that you are arrogant and wrong. A pharmacist who refuses to to dispense birth control should be suspended once or twice and then have their license revoked in all 50 states for the rest of their lives. Your Canada comment was moronic and so was your comment to the person who contended there is no God (he is correct) that he should prove it. What if I say the highest power is not God but 3 legged kangaroos with triangular heads. You say you don't believe there is such a thing. Could I get away with "Prove it"? No, I would have to prove it. Which I couldn't. And you cannot prove God exists. One comment-if I were a woman and wanted the morning after pill or any other form of birth control I need to understand how it works? Who cares how it works? The morning after sex there is no child even if result is potential pregency. If I can deal with abortion (100% in favor-your parents should have had you aborted) we can deal with a morning after pill. I look at millions of people wasting their time in Church every weekend but have no problem-it's their freedom of choice. You see people having abortions, using condoms and other methods of birth control and desperately want to change that because the religious right cannot live and let live. Which is why you and the rest of them are all A**HOLES. KMart was right to fire you-you should find a new line of work. And Michael Goldman DID do his homework and WAS properly prepared for the show. There is ONE issue, your responsibility to fill all prescriptions whether your imbicilic religious fanatical beliefs are compromised or not.

    Ira Fink

    Here is where he shares some love....

    Bo-you're a f**king idiot and your mother sucks p***s of men she doesn't know-so does your wife, F**K you, you a**hole

    And another special quality encounter.....

    Actually I have a responsible position in life. I broker abortions. Abortions are beautiful. Karen, an idiot by any other name, has retarded kids handling her emails. She's a fool and so are you. birth control is as normal as cornflakes on a breakfast table. But I can tell by your respone you're just a paid whore-you'll support whatever cause is there for you minimum wage job-which is a gift. You are probably an unpaid volunteer. This jackass [the writer] furthers the left.


    I'll hand the next one a C for courage, since she at least identified herself fully and restrained herself from any profanity. Still, it gets a rating of 8 red (commie) stars on the Stupid Scale. I hope the other folks at Eagle Funding are more fun....

    I think you are a bunch of hypocrites. You refuse dispense birth control to young women while the very place you work in supplies condoms to young men. It has always been a case of targeting women and not men. Women must have reproductive control over their bodies.

    Please make your own moral choices for yourself and do not pound your belief system on to the very people you are supposed to serve.

    Lydia Simoneau
    Wholesale Coordinator
    Eagle Funding
    Phone: (541) 318-1875
    Toll Free: (800) 881-9762
    Fax: (541) 318-1962
    lsimoneau@eaglehomemortgage.com


    OK, this one definitely zoned out when we said everyone has to play nice....

    Tell that horrendous looking woman who runs that organization to take the f**king bible and her f**king beliefs and shove them up her big f**king c**t.

    Please note: My email address is mlpdgrace@yahoo.com and NOT “mlpgrace” at pacbell.net or com.
    Michael Grace


    We love being lectured and talked down to, especially by the shrinking violet types...

    Dear Sir or Madam:

    I recently became aware of your organization on MSNBC's website. After reading the article and viewing your website, I have one question. Why do you think pharmacists have the right to override the laws of this country and the rights of its citizens by depriving women of legal prescription drugs? If you are opposed to birth control and related medication, then it is clear you have a conflict of interest and should surrender your pharmacy license. I appreciate the fact that your members are pro-life and do not want to be part of pregnancy prevention, but I really don't think it should matter in this realm. It is simply an abuse of power to bar women from receiving medication that their physicians have deemed appropriate. Pharmacists have the responsibility of providing prescription medication and advice pertaining to that medication. No one goes to their pharmacist looking for religious or moral guidance, and it is arrogant for you to think you have any right to impose your personal views on your customers.

    Sincerely,
    Stephanie Walls

    But, she had more to say (surprised?) on the return volley....beware if she steps in your establishment!

    I appreciate you taking the time to respond to my email. You should realize, however, that part of your organization's goal should be to persuade those who disagree, if you truly believe you are right. I can assure you that by calling me an unknowledgable, immoral, intolerant, anti-life bigot, you are only confirming for me that I would never want to align myself with someone like you. I find it hard to believe that you're truly fighting for patients' rights. It sounds to me like you're just fighting for your own rights.

    The next time I get my prescription filled, I will think twice and I'll be glad to speak to an educated professional who provides me with worthwhile information and upholds the law without prejudice caused by his or her own religious beliefs.

    Thanks again,
    Stephanie Walls


    Here's one from a Green Mountain doc, who actually may be practicing on you or your family! He has the usual meekness and humility of the medical profession....If we hear one more "get another profession" nugget of wisdom, we may just explode. We were here and will follow the Hippocratic oath and our sincerely held consciences based on faith, morals, ethics and our scientific training. If these folks want to practice pharmacy to their suiting, they're free to enroll in any of the 80 schools in the US, as they're all still taking applications!

    No no, thank you for writing. Your response is respectable, but based on faulty assumptions.

    1. Nobody believes that pharmacists are order takers. But PharmDs and pharmacologists and pharmaceutical chemists are not responsible for care in the way physicians are. Your opinions on standard of care do not trump those of the doctor and the patient. You are condescending to the entire medical system, including the patient whose body and life is at stake, because you believe your ethics take precedent above all others.

    2. Your retort on safety issues is utterly disingenuous. If you, as a group of pharmacists, have significant data regarding the safety profile of Ortho Tricyclen or emergency contraceptives, by all means present it to the FDA or the College of Obstetrics and Gynecology. Or take it to your state legislature. Or send it to me. But you have no data to support your claims, at least none that would hold water in a world of evidence-based medicine. You are interested in religion and philosophy, not just safety profile. Seriously, if you are a safety profile watchdog agency that may also protest the incidence of diabetes mellitus from use of atypical antipsychotics, by all means, put it on your site. But you are hiding behind patient safety to advance your religious and/or philosophical worldview.

    3. I am well aware of the law (at least of the state of Vermont) regarding whether a member of the medical community can be compelled into a certain action. If you read our law, you'll see that you cannot be compelled in the event that you are concerned that it does not meet the standard of care normally associated with causing no harm. Refusing birth control does not meet that standard in a legal or ethical sense. The law does not allow you to refuse repeatedly based on personal prejudice. Your refusals are not based on statistically significant data regarding a safety profile, but prejudice. Therefore, your assertion that you are being compelled to deviate from a standard of care that would benefit the welfare of the patient is specious.

    4. At the end of the day, your actions are being done to deny care to patients in an effort to intimidate the community. Members of your group are not merely refusing to provide contraceptives to clear their own consciences, but to hold the scripts so that nobody can fill them. Especially in rural communities, you are withholding care that has been decided by a patient and her doctor. If you can't handle being part of that, fine. If you wish to offer extra education, wonderful-that is the job of the pharmacist. If you wish to withhold care and hold prescriptions hostage based on your own religion, that is unacceptable.

    5. "Literally killing the messenger." Sorry, but pro-choice activists never shot up a church. It is the anti-choice forces that become so extreme they turn to murder. So it is not a big step to assume that you will begin bullying our pharmacies, too.

    6. You are welcome to be pro-life. Not everybody is. Until that time, your personal religious prejudices are not to trump a carefully designed and balanced system of healthcare. Pharmacists agreed to take part in the system, not to hold it hostage at will based on individual philosophy.

    7. Nobody disrespects the pharmacist profession. Nobody thinks they are order takers. By all means, if a doctor prescribes Zyprexa for allergies, and clearly she meant Zyrtec, then thankfully someone is there to ask questions. If the doctor wants to prescribe Meridia for 52 weeks as a weightloss program, you bet we want somebody checking. Those exceptions are based on standard of care. The religious issues surrounding birth control fall well short of those criteria.

    8. if you have data, show me. If you have a religious goal, by all means, fight and pray over it after you leave work. If you have data about safety profile, keep a stack of reprints in your office and show every patient who will listen. Tell your children to avoid birth control. But if you intend on injecting your religious views into a healthcare system designed to include every one, you cannot withhold care at will outside of the law. You will need to find a new profession.

    Respectfully submitted,
    Eric Garland







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